The CWAL Rubber Room

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[LINK] Oh, those crazy Italians. - Kainoss 14:32:32 08/30/10 (0)
Diggin' through my old hard disk, I found a transcript from an ICQ conversation w/Maggott. - Ishpeck Supreme Doughnut Delivery Maggott Archivist of CWAL 14:09:01 08/30/10 (4)
- Y) ES. [NT] - The V Man 21:11:41 08/31/10 (0)
- "like" [NT] - Psycho Sam! 16:25:58 08/30/10 (0)
- This is glorious. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 15:35:07 08/30/10 (0)
- *Snickers* [NT] - Ztiev 14:19:45 08/30/10 (0)
"Cheese is a term developed by noobs to reassure themselves that they are "good", but were defeated by unfair play." Ding ding ding, we have a winner. [NT] - Rotten 13:38:46 08/30/10 (1)
- I read an article to this effect a long time ago. And then again recently. [NT] - Vektor 21:40:20 08/30/10 (0)
DJMMM, did you ever get my letter? [NT] - Grorx 12:44:09 08/30/10 (0) [IMP]
Environmentalists block road to Maine wind site. KILL ALL ENVIRONMENTALISTS - Rotten 07:31:32 08/30/10 (8)
- Your subject line is confusing. [NT] - Ishpeck 10:45:18 08/30/10 (7)
  - Why? [NT] - Rotten 10:51:28 08/30/10 (3)
    - I guess I didn't get the memo about "wind site" = "wind power site" [NT] - Ishpeck 14:12:11 08/30/10 (2)
      - By implication you should realize that having "environmentalists" in the subject with "wind" implies wind power. Now I get to lay on top you, completely nude for 2 hours as punishment (but not in a gay way). [NT] - Rotten 14:17:38 08/30/10 (1)
        Yeah. rotten.goJoystickJ(rotten); [NT] - Ishpeck 14:19:35 08/30/10 (0)
  - ...really? [NT] - Tssha 10:49:08 08/30/10 (2)
    - It's a commonly-known fact that Ishpeck is illiterate. You of all people should know. [NT] - Ishpeck 14:11:05 08/30/10 (1)
      - ...what? [NT] - Tssha 21:24:30 08/30/10 (0)
Plain Sight turns out to be rambunctious fun, and does well on the "highly entertaining even while you die a lot" score. (Text) - Lothos 06:59:24 08/30/10 (4)
- Yes, it's a whole lot of fun. Just don't click the shield upgrade on your upgrade list or you'll have to actually buy it. Doh! >_< - Tssha 10:19:26 08/30/10 (0)
- Yeah, I gave it a quick try last night with some bots and it was pretty great. Definitely worth the $2 I bought it for, dunno if it's still on sale. [NT] - Fron 08:41:24 08/30/10 (0)
- I've put a few minutes into it as well and it was entertaining. [NT] - The V Man 07:21:40 08/30/10 (0)
- PLUS, the Achievements are named cool things like "Here I Am, Brain the Size of a Planet" and "Everyone Is Dead, Dave." [NT] - Lothos 07:02:17 08/30/10 (0)
Anyone know a good what-you-see-is-what-you-get kind of webpage-design program? I want to design a basic page to put the SC2 campaign on now that the missions have started to branch, but the prospect of doing all the HTML coding by hand (like I've been doing since I was about 13) really bores me. [NT] - Ravil 23:09:17 08/29/10 (11)
- I use Dreamweaver for html coding. It's got a good setup where you have the code and design side by side, so you can see what you're getting into. [NT] - iThorkos 13:18:46 08/30/10 (1)
  - You're dead to me. [NT] - Ishpeck 14:45:54 08/30/10 (0)
- So can one actually set up something using WordPress on the CWAL FTP site? How would I go about doing that? The install instructions presume a greater depth of web design savvy than I possess. [NT] - Ravil 11:07:26 08/30/10 (4)
  - You'd need to talk to Vektor and get an account setup in MySQL for WordPress or nothing is going to work. It looks like Rask should (barely) meet minimum system specs otherwise. [NT] - TheDeamon (System Administrator) 12:09:04 08/30/10 (2)
    - This is sounding way too complicated. I just want to build a basic HTML website to put up in my RR space, and I don't want to have to write all the HTML by hand. [NT] - Ravil 12:31:43 08/30/10 (1)
      - Well, the setup part of WordPress would pretty much consist of specifying the username/password and database name for WordPress to talk to MySql. Though customization/tweaking would likely be a little bit more involved. [NT] - TheDeamon 12:39:37 08/30/10 (0)
- You can give Wordpress a shot. I did 99.9% of Manath.com with Wordpress and there are quite a few pretty/free templates out there. [NT] - Mana 00:27:48 08/30/10 (3)
  - Wordpress is more of a full blogging system than a design program (although it can certainly do static pages as well). The problem is that you incur a lot of overhead for running what amounts to a CMS system if you're just looking to serve a few static pages... - Vektor 00:57:27 08/30/10 (2)
    - What Vektor said. I got the impression that you wanted your page for personal/limited use, but if you intend on a wide audience feel free to go with whatever. [NT] - Mana 02:46:46 08/30/10 (1)
      - This is just for CWALers to look at. [NT] - Ravil 06:27:48 08/30/10 (0)
[SC2] Quebec would be awesome if they lined up everyone with a driver's license in the province and executed them all. Anyone going to be around for some SC2 tonight? [NT] - Ravil 18:26:29 08/29/10 (11)
- Canada would be awesome if they lined up everyone in Quebec and executed them all. [NT] - Sentient Squirrl 14:27:31 08/30/10 (0)
- Are there any legal provisions making it illegal for the gov't to try this? [NT] - Ishpeck 14:21:06 08/30/10 (0)
- A couple more beatings like that and I'll be terrified to play outside of Bronze for fear of having my ass worn as a hat every game. [NT] - Ravil 21:47:13 08/29/10 (6)
  - I take a replay of every game I win or lose and review it. For one thing, it allows me to relax and enjoy the game as playing vs. a stranger is too stressful to enjoy. But I also learn from my mistakes. Right now I'm playing random vs. the computer to practice for a little bit. [NT] - Rotten 08:38:32 08/30/10 (2)
    - Rotten, I don't have you on my SC2 friends list. What's your character number? [NT] - Ravil 09:45:46 08/30/10 (1)
      - Rotten#647? [NT] - Rotten 10:02:32 08/30/10 (0)
  - That's why you learn from your failures, and become the wearer of ass hats. [NT] - Palin 00:37:21 08/30/10 (0)
  - 1v1s are a LOT different, believe me. [NT] - Thorkos 22:23:40 08/29/10 (1)
    - You very rarely see 22 carriers bearing down on you, in particular. [NT] - Fron 22:26:26 08/29/10 (0)
- Yea, sure [nt] - Kainoss 19:12:04 08/29/10 (0)
- Sure. [NT] - Fron 18:33:40 08/29/10 (0)
I think I'm actually going to mod this in now. - Inconsequential Lurker 16:31:33 08/29/10 (0)
Yay! Steam account: RETURNED. *Achievement Unlocked.* [NT] - Lothos 16:07:00 08/29/10 (19)
- Got an email asking for information, and then two minutes later another one with password reset information since all the info was in my original support-ticket. Still not sure what triggered it, so it probably was the Plain Sight debacle. [NT] - Lothos 16:07:58 08/29/10 (18)
  - So what happened and why? [NT] - Loki 17:27:01 08/29/10 (12) [IMP]
    - Account was 'Disabled,' but I still don't know why. I sent out a significant number of gifts for a cheap game, and my assumption is that they thought I'd been hacked. [NT] - Lothos 17:29:16 08/29/10 (11)
      - Does this mean that other people have Plain Sight? I bought it because, hey, two dollars, but I haven't tried it out yet. [NT] - Fron 17:32:52 08/29/10 (10)
        Neither have I, but I have a copy. I imagine lag is going to be A Problem for me connecting with people. [NT] - Lothos 17:34:28 08/29/10 (9)
        Guess you'll have to move to Canada. [NT] - Fron 17:35:54 08/29/10 (8)
        DO IT LOTHOS DO IT ALREADY [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 09:57:24 08/30/10 (1)
        I'm working on it! Plans are afoot! They involve getting a PHD and then getting employed by someone who doesn't know any better in Southern Ontario! I even set up Facebook to facilitate this process! [NT] - Lothos 19:45:31 08/30/10 (0)
        ...And he can live with Blinky! *hums The Odd Couple theme* [NT] - The V Man 18:12:16 08/29/10 (4)
        Yeah, us living with a chef would be TERRIBLE. Mainly I think it'd result in some form of knife-based Incident after I follow Blinky around at all hours Studying His Life for Official Fiction Purposes. "I started stabbing him, BUT HE KEPT TAKING NOTES." [NT] - Lothos 05:57:27 08/30/10 (3)
        I love how in your world Blinky's *defence* to the authorities is that he was stabbing you, with the crime being that you were following him around taking notes. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 09:59:26 08/30/10 (1)
        Sometimes these things are justified, man. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 13:18:31 08/30/10 (0)
        Oh no! [NT] - Psycho Sam! 17:40:17 08/29/10 (0)
  - You know, it's things like this that make me leery about putting every game purchase I can on Steam. [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 16:09:53 08/29/10 (3)
    - Came as a bit of a shock to me, too. I had a plan though. 1) Plan not to get account back. 2) Note down details. 3) Intend to email Gabe about it on the grounds of It's Vocational To Me, plus an interview, 4) Write an article about how it all panned out, try to get it published on RPS. [NT] - Lothos 16:17:12 08/29/10 (2)
      - Sometimes I get plans to write things and send them to RPS! They I keep drinking and just write "JoystickJ" on Kieron Gillen's Formspring until I run out of characters. He's very gracious about it. [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 16:29:09 08/29/10 (1)
        He should be gracious. JoystickJbombing was how he broke into the industry! [NT] - Lothos "This is a lie." 17:27:50 08/29/10 (0)
  - No good deed goes unpunished. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 16:09:48 08/29/10 (0)
Anyone got any idea on what the hell Telltale is planning? [NT] - Pez 23:08:38 08/28/10 (4)
- Probably another worthless Texas Hold'em game given that the silhouettes seem to be holding cards. [NT] - Fron 23:09:57 08/28/10 (2)
  - That would be disappointing. [NT] - Pez 13:51:51 08/29/10 (0)
  - I think they're playing dangerous games with the hearts of the internet then, and the reckoning will be fearsome. [NT] - Lothos 23:18:20 08/28/10 (0)
- Take over the world? [NT] - TheDeamon 23:09:22 08/28/10 (0)
How much combat is there in Silent Hill 2? I've played a little Silent Hill 3, but there was Too Much Fighty for it to be a horror game. [NT] - Lothos 22:41:26 08/28/10 (6)
- You've never played Silent Hill 2? [NT] - Psycho Sam! 23:19:50 08/28/10 (5)
  - DO IT NOW. - Psycho Sam! 23:20:33 08/28/10 (4)
    - He's right. It's a bloody brilliant game, and right up your alley to boot. But you must play through till the end. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 16:56:10 08/29/10 (3)
      - In general fans of the series put SH2 as one of the best if not the best of the series. - Lord Yuppie 20:34:21 08/29/10 (0)
      - The order has been made. Many thanks to you both! The next trick will be getting time for it. [NT] - Lothos 17:26:31 08/29/10 (1)
        The longest I've ever put into it was about seven hours, though it can be finished in two or three fairly easily. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 19:53:41 08/29/10 (0)
[LINK] Awesome, someone used a canister of pepper spray on a crowd of Westboro Baptist Church Protestors. - TheDeamon 20:49:23 08/28/10 (8)
- If you find yourself joining something with so jingoistic a name as the "Patriot Guard", no matter how noble its intent, you need to re-evaluate your life. And the less said about the WBC, the better. [NT] - Fron 20:54:56 08/28/10 (7)
  - Hey now, hey now... [NT] - Patriot 10:57:41 08/30/10 (0) [IMP]
  - That's right, folks. Patriotism is jingoism is nationalism is racism is satanism is Hitler. [NT] - Ishpeck 12:57:19 08/29/10 (1)
    - Yeah that doesn't really fit the definition of "jingoism", in and of itself. [NT] - Rotten 07:18:39 08/30/10 (0)
  - ? Time to Google/wiki I guess. [NT] - TheDeamon 20:59:38 08/28/10 (3)
    - Eh? It was mentioned in the article. [NT] - Fron 21:00:08 08/28/10 (2)
      - I only read a little beyond the part where "sprayed the protestors with a pepper canister" and "it's believed he was targeting the WBC" [NT] - TheDeamon 21:05:03 08/28/10 (0)
The nutjob Glenn Beck from FNN knows how to conjure up a rally in Washington, D.C. Does he actually have that many viewers? [nt] - If You Ain't Platinum, You Ain't S--- 20:32:20 08/28/10 (82)
- well i for one welcome our new mormon overlords. [NT] - Rotten 15:30:56 08/29/10 (2)
  - Or not so new, seeing as how Harry Reid also happens to be a Mormon. [NT] - TheDeamon 15:47:56 08/29/10 (1)
    - as well as the former governor of my state mitt romney [NT] - Rotten 18:34:18 08/29/10 (0)
- And why does it seem like every last person in the photos of the rally is white? You'd think that because of the ethnic composition of Washington, D.C. that you'd find some minorities in the crowd. [nt] - If You Ain't Platinum, You Ain't S--- 02:11:11 08/29/10 (8)
  - Because they're 'reclaiming' Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream, remember? [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 08:29:22 08/29/10 (6)
    - To be fair, I don't think the NAACP and associated groups have represented the "Dream" that MLK was talking about for a number of years now, probably been decades since they have, actually. [NT] - TheDeamon 10:01:30 08/29/10 (5)
      - yes it all evens out [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 16:56:48 08/29/10 (4)
        I also highly doubt that Glenn Beck, or the vast majority of the people working near him, are racist.... And MLK's dream was to have skin color be irrelevant to the decision making process, so I'm just seeing plenty of fail here regarding concerns about racial profiles of what group is doing what. [NT] - TheDeamon 20:14:28 08/29/10 (3)
        It's more than he's a complete, self-important and disrespectful ass. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 22:03:08 08/29/10 (2)
        Which is, by far, inferior to being a complete, self-deprecating and disrespectful ass. (Which I think is a more accurate description of Beck as well as yourself). [NT] - Ishpeck 10:42:20 08/31/10 (0)
        And by the way, I never even implied that Beck was a racist, so how's that for "fail"? [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 22:03:42 08/29/10 (0)
  - It was a Conservative rally, and last I checked, Washington DC Metro predominately votes Democratic(liberal), and looking at the demographic breakdown there, and in most of the country, the vast majority of Blacks consider themselves to be Democrats/Liberals rather than Conservative... So not seeing many blacks at a Conservative rally isn't very surprising. [NT] - TheDeamon 06:04:21 08/29/10 (0)
- It's kind of scary that *ANY* single TV personality can pull that off. [NT] - Dark Nexus 23:53:23 08/28/10 (3)
  - Even if it's some host of a TV show on a news channel? [nt] - If You Ain't Platinum, You Ain't S--- 00:02:29 08/29/10 (2)
    - I'm sorry, I thought I was pretty clear when I said "any". [NT] - Dark Nexus 09:53:45 08/29/10 (0)
    - So what is Oprah, or any number of syndicated talk show hosts that get airtime on a wide range of television venues? [NT] - TheDeamon 00:11:42 08/29/10 (0)
- And oh my, the Mormonphobia on CNN is strong today. Leading articles proclaiming "Glenn Beck is Mormon" (this is news?) and "some evangelicals don't believe Mormons are Christians" followed up reporting on the latest (religious grouping aware) approval poll showing that Mormons as a group have the lowest approval Rate for Barack Obama at 24% (Muslims have the highest approval rate). [NT] - TheDeamon 21:15:34 08/28/10 (64)
  - Maybe it's because Mormons are the worst of all the crazy religions I know of. At least Scientologists don't go door to door pestering people with their bullJoystickJ. I just hope that sometime in the next thousand years standards of living (and IQ) will rise to the point that people give up on religion once and for all [NT] - MagickWizzard 02:43:47 08/29/10 (19)
    - So Muslims of various sects running around blowing people up is less crazy/bad than a Mormon Missionary knocking on your door? A WBC member is less crazy than a Mormon? And Scientologists do try to convert people, they just don't try to go door to door as a general rule(and to be fair, going door to door is not the preferred approach for the Mormons either) [NT] - TheDeamon 10:13:42 08/29/10 (18)
      - I'm pretty sure this is not actually the general rule, otherwise there wouldn't be very many of them left. [NT] - Vektor 00:59:02 08/30/10 (2)
        Have we met? [NT] - The Point 14:55:11 08/30/10 (1)
        I'm intentionally ignoring the parts of this exchange that I find annoying and cherrypicking things to nitpick. [NT] - Vektor 21:54:39 08/30/10 (0)
      - This seems like an accurate representation of Muslims, yes. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 16:57:21 08/29/10 (14)
        Just because you admit you're a hypocrite doesn't make this particular instance of your hypocrisy any less irritating. [NT] - Ishpeck 14:55:57 08/30/10 (2)
        What are you talking about? I'm not exactly saying that Christians are terrorists, here. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 00:48:14 08/31/10 (1)
        You're being glib, Meat. Now go JoystickJ yourself. [NT] - Ishpeck 10:39:19 08/31/10 (0)
        I said "various sects" not "all sects" of Islam. It just so happens that Islam is the one with multiple international terror groups belonging to multiple faith groups(sects) that don't necessarily like each other. [NT] - TheDeamon 20:11:51 08/29/10 (8)
        You said "Muslims of various sects," which means 'many types of Muslim,' not 'certain members of various groups.' Either way, you decided to contrast the worst kind of Islamic extremist with your friendly neighbourhood Mormon gently rapping on a door, which doesn't strike me as a fair sampling. - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 22:08:18 08/29/10 (7)
        Also, context helps when reading. "Various" does have othe uses then "many" and is a particularly valid word to use when discussing wildly varying sub-groups within a larger group. [NT] - TheDeamon 16:11:41 08/30/10 (0)
        It wasn't intended to be a fair sampling. Go back and look at what I was responding to: The statement that Mormons were the "worst of the crazy religions" because they have Missionaries going door to door. So I brought up some obviously crazier religious groups. [NT] - TheDeamon 01:29:02 08/30/10 (5)
        I see where you are coming from (I interpreted MagickWizzard's sentences as being only tangentially related, but yours is understandable as well), but your statement that 'Muslims of various sects do this and that and the other thing!' nonetheless comes across as misleading and alarmist. It could have been better worded, in my opinion! [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 10:07:05 08/30/10 (3)
        My interpretation is that its SUPPOSED to be misleading and alarmist because the statements about Mormons were. [NT] - Namrok 10:18:09 08/30/10 (2)
        It was left general more because getting specific in that case(Muslim sects involved in terrorism) would have been either too broad for certain people to be happy anyway(and thus pointless), or time consuming to construct a more detailed and accurate list that would likely end up with several groups getting mentioned.,, Which I decided was well beyond the scope needed for that response. [NT] - TheDeamon 11:39:45 08/30/10 (0)
        When in doubt, hide behind sarcasm. [NT] - Namrok 10:52:00 08/30/10 (0)
        ah, sorry, a holy war on a forum isn't going to get anywhere. People's brains just naturally tend to end up full of religious bullJoystickJ, at which time they do anything they can to spread their mind disease [NT] - MagickWizzard 19:54:31 08/29/10 (1)
  - You know they want to build a temple in New York like they're real people? [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 21:42:54 08/28/10 (11)
    - There is no want about it, they've had one in operation just off of Broadway and less than a block away from Central Park since 2004. [NT] - TheDeamon 21:56:02 08/28/10 (10)
      - There's also another nearby that has been nearby since before the twin towers were built, though I can't remember where precisely. And one in the Pentagon, etc. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 22:29:27 08/28/10 (9)
        JoystickJing Mormons! TAKE YOUR MAGIC HAT ROCKS WITH YOU AND GO BACK TO NEW YORK LIKE YOU CAME FR- ah, JoystickJ. [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 22:40:50 08/28/10 (0)
        Temples, or Chapels? The only other three LDS Temples remotely close to NYC are in Palmyra, New York(dedicated in 2000), Boston(also dedicated in 2000), and Washington DC(dedicated in 1974). [NT] - TheDeamon 22:38:10 08/28/10 (7)
        Oh, I was back to talking about Muslims again. I'm a man on the go! [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 08:30:13 08/29/10 (0)
        I heard they're trying to build one at Ground Zero. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 23:21:05 08/28/10 (5)
        Wouldn't be the first time they've rented a floor(or more) in a high rise. Though in all seriousness, it looks like the closest LDS Chapel is about 10 blocks away, in Chinatown. [NT] - TheDeamon 23:30:16 08/28/10 (4)
        AHHHHHHHHHHH! Chinese Mormons! We're doomed! [NT] - Dark Nexus 23:50:22 08/28/10 (3)
        They've had an operational Temple in Hong Kong since 1996. And another one in Taiwan since 1984. [NT] - TheDeamon 00:08:13 08/29/10 (2)
        They're building an army. [NT] - Inconsequential Lurker 00:10:07 08/29/10 (1)
        They also have an operational Temple in Tokyo since 1980. Godzilla still hasn't found them yet. [NT] - TheDeamon 00:14:31 08/29/10 (0)
  - Mormons are Christians? [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 21:36:18 08/28/10 (31)
    - JoystickJ. You. [NT] - Ishpeck 14:56:39 08/30/10 (0)
    - Not really. It's a very distinct religious movement. It grew out of Christianity in a way that Christianity grew out of Judaism, but there's fundamentally different belief structures in place regardless of what names you put on things. [NT] - Ravil 09:01:20 08/29/10 (3)
      - And JoystickJ you, too. [NT] - Ishpeck 14:56:50 08/30/10 (0)
      - That's what I thought and was trying to suggest below. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 16:58:09 08/29/10 (0)
      - Would agree on fundamentally different structures. Except there are a number of fundamentally different structures between the various other sects of Christianity as well. And if anything, the LDS Church most closely resembles the organizational structure seen in the New Testament vs current traditions seen in the major sects of Christianity.. [NT] - TheDeamon 10:27:34 08/29/10 (0)
    - Well, with that whole actually being members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" (not "The Church of Joseph Smith"), and all that talk about "taking upon them the name of Christ" in regards to their daily dealings... As well as their considering Christ's Atonement to be vital for anything else in their doctrines to even work(like breathing is vital for people to live). Many remain [NT] - confused regardless - TheDeamon 21:51:47 08/28/10 (24)
      - But is it good for the Jews? [NT] - Snapper 23:32:54 08/28/10 (8)
        In what way? I guess the LDS(Mormon) tendency is to be less concerned with the "who did it" aspect of the crucifixion, and focus more on the importance of everything else during that chronicled week culminating in the resurrection(also why Mormons wearing crosses are rare). So finding someone spewing Jew-hate is very rare(I've never seen or heard of it happening). - TheDeamon 00:03:13 08/29/10 (7)
        Jew hate in Mormonlandia and a little tangent. - Lord Yuppie 15:51:39 08/29/10 (6)
        [Citation needed] [NT] - Ishpeck 15:01:19 08/30/10 (0)
        Actually, the Mormons you run into since the mid 1990's are orders of magnitude nicer to "outsiders" (and "errant members") than they tended to be prior to then. Gordon B. Hinckley did a very effective job of correcting that particular behavior while presiding. From what I'm seeing, it looks like Thomas S. Monson is continuing that effort, but old habits die hard, and the current political [NT] - situation certainly doesn't help - TheDeamon 16:15:50 08/29/10 (3)
        ...which goes back to my ongoing commentary about there being an ongoing problem with inordinate amounts of dogma floating around in the LDS Church membership still, and they are getting increasingly cranky about that stuff going on. "Can you back that position with anything in the scriptures?" "No." "Then why are teaching it?" ". . ." "Try not to do it again." [NT] - TheDeamon 16:25:52 08/29/10 (2)
        Makes sense, I grew up in that environment. - Lord Yuppie 16:35:24 08/29/10 (1)
        This is why I am glad I live in Seattle. The University of Washington ward I have been in for the last four years is refreshingly tolerant and diverse compared to BYU. [NT] - Arcturus 00:44:49 08/30/10 (0)
      - Well, I admit to briefly forgetting (hey, I'm tired) about the "Church of..." thing, but otherwise I've never even heard or seen them being grouped with Christians by and large (even by themselves), and everything about Joseph Smith and what he claimed *is* pretty divergent from the rest of Christian mythology, no? [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 22:32:40 08/28/10 (14)
        The BIG thing for a number of the Evangelical sects seems to be that Mormons don't hold to the idea of the Holy Trinity as put forth by the Nicene Creed. They believe the trinity to be one being. Mormon's believe they are three distinct beings. Which makes the whole thing seem rather silly to most Mormons. [NT] - TheDeamon 22:50:40 08/28/10 (12)
        I'm pretty sure the Joseph Smith part of the story is still wildly divergent. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 08:31:28 08/29/10 (11)
        It is, but if you read a number of the articles, or even a number of anti-Mormon sites, the first item they heavily emphasize is the differing conception of the Trinity. [NT] - TheDeamon 09:51:27 08/29/10 (10)
        You know, if I was going to try to speak in favour of Christianity I think I'd try to ensure the topic of the trinity came up as little as possible. [NT] - Fron 09:57:26 08/29/10 (9)
        What he means is that most of Christendom believes in the Trinity. Mormons don't. [NT] - Ishpeck 15:06:28 08/30/10 (2)
        Yes, I know. I was taking the Mormon side on this. [NT] - Fron 16:23:11 08/30/10 (1)
        So I didn't read it as speaking in favor of Christianity so much as making a statement. [NT] - Ishpeck 10:36:28 08/31/10 (0)
        Well, keep in mind those groups are Christians talking to other Christians on that. So Atheists/Agnostics thinking they're crazy for even discussing that isn't even on their radar. [NT] - TheDeamon 10:04:48 08/29/10 (5)
        It's just that the main sequence idea of the Trinity seems like just about the nuttiest thing in the whole theology. They should probably be kind of embarrassed about it. [NT] - Fron 11:49:21 08/29/10 (4)
        Eh? If you believe that is nutty, why would it be any nuttier than say... RESURRECTION? [NT] - Rotten 09:03:27 08/30/10 (3)
        Dead guy coming back to life doesn't seem as logically tormented as one guy who is also three guys including his own son. [NT] - Fron 09:07:24 08/30/10 (2)
        Welp, it's "God" so it's not a guy (not saying I agree, just saying what the theology says). So being God, he can do whatever the JoystickJ he wants to. I suppose on a level it's logically tormented but not more so then rising from the dead. Although that has happened in real life I guess. [NT] - Rotten 11:20:32 08/30/10 (1)
        I think Fron's trying to say that resuming life subsequent to stopping it isn't as direct a contradiction as "God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Ghost, all of whom is neither of the other." [NT] - Ishpeck 15:05:37 08/30/10 (0)
        We consider ourselves Christian - many other Christians don't seem to think we are, but I'm not particularly concerned with what they decide Christianity is. [NT] - Arcturus 22:46:19 08/28/10 (0)
- More probably, plenty of people watching/listening who do not live within easy/affordable(to them -- either in time or money) travel of Washington DC. [NT] - TheDeamon 20:45:53 08/28/10 (0)
I'm thinking of starting an "A Drawing Every Day" blog to see if I can get back into being at all artistic. Shall we take bets on how long I can go before I give up due to laziness? [NT] - Psycho Sam! 13:08:52 08/28/10 (21)
- Hmm.... I've heard artists are supposed to draw draw draw and just never stop. But my own creative outlets see me working tirelessly only when I have a project in mind. I don't just create for the sake of creating. - AC 20:41:42 08/29/10 (0)
- [LINK] Are you Steamtrap Entity in disguise??? - Grorx 17:02:00 08/28/10 (3) [IMP]
  - Oh yeah, I remember this! [NT] - Psycho Sam! 19:44:25 08/28/10 (0)
  - I think he has far more knives than Steamtrap does. [NT] - TheDeamon 18:11:36 08/28/10 (1)
    - I don't have knives. I collect sporks. [NT] - Steamtrap Entity 14:42:01 08/29/10 (0)
- 0 days. [NT] - Dark Nexus 13:36:59 08/28/10 (12)
  - DN wins. I can't get my scanner to install in Snow Leopard, on account of being kinda pretty damn old. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 15:00:28 08/28/10 (11)
    - Yay! [NT] - Dark Nexus 19:00:43 08/28/10 (0)
    - MAC: IT JUST WORKS [NT] - Vektor 15:27:00 08/28/10 (5)
      - [VIDS] Mac killed my inner child. - Blast from the Past 21:24:24 08/28/10 (2)
        haha, wow, this guy gets it. That's exactly what happens to me whenever I try to use something [NT] - MagickWizzard 02:50:17 08/29/10 (1)
        If this is happening to you every single time you try to do *anything,* the problem may lie with you! [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 17:00:03 08/29/10 (0)
      - So much for plug and play. [NT] - TheDeamon 18:14:26 08/28/10 (0)
      - The weird thing is when it copied my settings and files from my iBook to my Macbook the drivers stuck around, and when I upgraded from Leopard to Snow Leopard they worked perfectly, but I can't actually INSTALL them from a clean Snow Leopard install. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 15:39:44 08/28/10 (0)
    - [LINK] Never mind that. I win! Kinda! - Psycho Sam! 15:23:40 08/28/10 (3)
      - I'll follow you, Psycho Sam! Let's start a terrible webcomic and update it on a regular schedule so we pick up a loyal following even though it's awful. - MagickWizzard 02:53:17 08/29/10 (0)
      - You haven't defeated my non-bet just yet [NT] - TheDeamon 21:57:46 08/28/10 (0)
      - Awwww. [NT] - Dark Nexus 19:00:50 08/28/10 (0)
- 3 days [NT] - TheDeamon 13:27:33 08/28/10 (0)
- I'd go with a drawing often as you feel like it. Forcing it will kill it faster than anything. [NT] - The V Man 13:21:43 08/28/10 (0)
- Also I guess I should go and draw something. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 13:09:22 08/28/10 (0)
[SC2] I'm thinking about "going random". What are the benefits/drawbacks? I feel it might improve my game. [NT] - Rotten 12:00:56 08/28/10 (22)
- Getting double counted on wins. When you win as random, you get counted 1 for Random, 1 for whatever race you drew. [NT] - iThorkos 18:33:03 08/29/10 (1)
  - Drawbacks: Being good at all races is a good idea, but you really do need to excel at one race if you want to tear apart the upper diamond players. [NT] - iThorkos 18:35:54 08/29/10 (0)
- Benefits: Less strategy- and balance-related frustration. If someone does something to you that you can't figure out how to beat, you can always just copy it and see how people beat you. Downside is that you have way less time to decide what to do in a given match since you don't know what race you're going to be, and you have to know how to play all nine matchups instead of just three. [NT] - Fron 12:26:40 08/28/10 (10)
  - Yes, 9 matchups. PvP PvT PvZ TvP TvT TvZ ZvP ZvT ZvP. Wait a second.. [NT] - MagickWizzard 02:40:55 08/29/10 (2)
    - I'm counting "playing zerg against a terran" as distinct from "playing terran against a zerg". [NT] - Fron 09:24:54 08/29/10 (1)
      - Which they are, because it's a permutation rather than a combination problem. I can play against a protoss as a terran, but that doesn't mean I can play as protoss versus a terran worth anything. [NT] - Vektor 22:16:24 08/29/10 (0)
  - Also, your opponents won't know what you are until they scout you. That will usually prevent, say, a T from going a reaper rush strat. [NT] - Vektor 14:06:23 08/28/10 (0)
  - Of course learning to play all 9 matchups is also a benefit, no? You know the strengths/weakness of each race. [NT] - Rotten 13:01:17 08/28/10 (5)
    - No, I'd say it makes it strictly harder to win. For instance, if you play only Terran then you don't have to know ZvP. You can just completely ignore that matchup and it doesn't take up any space in your brain. [NT] - Fron 13:27:16 08/28/10 (4)
      - I guess more accurately, if you only play one race you need to know five of the matchups, because being good with TvZ implies understanding ZvT. [NT] - Fron 13:29:32 08/28/10 (3)
        Now the question is: how to free up space in your brain for Starcraft? [NT] - Rotten 14:56:46 08/28/10 (2)
        For example, were I to write my family member's names down, i might be able to process a few more APM's. Then after each game I could relearn their names. [NT] - Rotten 14:59:28 08/28/10 (1)
        Rotten, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but you need to forget about fat chicks for a while. I know it's harsh, but they take up a lot of space. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 21:22:36 08/28/10 (0)
- It's fun, and you tend to worry less about balance and more about just playing well, and it does actually protect against some race vs race cheese. But you'll naturally have to play well as all the races. [NT] - Palin 12:14:56 08/28/10 (5)
  - I'm gonna spend some time playing AI as random, see how well I can get my game up, then "go live". Heh. [NT] - Rotten 12:53:01 08/28/10 (0)
  - Yeah, this was one of my points but more eloquently put. To expound further... - Lord Yuppie 12:18:39 08/28/10 (3)
    - Honestly for ZvZ I'm loving an early Baneling harass. Like 6 Baneling 6 Zergling on a Zerg at the start absolutely JoystickJs them up. [NT] - Palin 12:23:15 08/28/10 (2)
      - Yep. If you got the timing right it wrecks. I seem to be much better at zergling v zergling encounters. I just need more experience with it I think. [NT] - Lord Yuppie 12:27:07 08/28/10 (1)
        OMG BIRD! [NT] - Lord Yuppie 12:27:36 08/28/10 (0)
- This is "SC2" btw. [NT] - Rotten 12:01:54 08/28/10 (2)
  - I recently went random. I have been enjoying it more than staying at my powerhouse race (and oddly enough, I am doing better!) - Lord Yuppie 12:15:39 08/28/10 (1)
    - Yeah, my game got stale and pretty inflexible. I feel going random for a while could sorta make me "think outside the box" (for lack of a better term) a little. [NT] - Rotten 12:29:47 08/28/10 (0)
Dear England: Sending Reecle back home now. Please take care of her. Make sure she sends back chocolate. Thanks. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 08:02:51 08/28/10 (0)
I recommend a British series called "Misfits." It's basically Trainspotting meets X-Men: Teenagers with community service for being Right 'Orrible Human Beings wind up with superpowers, schenanigans ensue. Well written, well acted, blackly comic and dark. I have been several of the characters in my time... but without the powers sadly. [NT] - Lothos 05:51:27 08/28/10 (5)
- I recommend YOUR MOM! - Psycho Sam! 06:59:18 08/28/10 (4)
  - Intriguing! Didn't know there was a comic; the one I knew about was a 6 part British TV series. [NT] - Lothos 08:13:37 08/28/10 (3)
    - I may be thinking of something else. Not braining so well today. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 08:47:50 08/28/10 (2)
      - You're probably thinking about his mom. Well me too. [NT] - Rotten 11:59:35 08/28/10 (1)
        We had some good times. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 12:07:33 08/28/10 (0)
[VIDS] Ok, I've said it before, but NOW the internet is over. Hilarious. (TF2/Monty Python cross-over) - Grorx 03:49:34 08/28/10 (2)
- You know, if you keep ending the Internet like this, then nobody's going to believe you when it really ends. [NT] - Ravil 07:34:16 08/28/10 (1)
  - If you kids don't quiet down back there I will pull this internet over right now! I mean it! [NT] - Grorx 09:47:03 08/28/10 (0) [IMP]
Researcher of the Hill - Pez 22:58:14 08/27/10 (1)
- Oh, and if anyone can impersonate Swann's voice pretty accurately I might want you for a voice over. [NT] - Pez 08:40:05 08/28/10 (0)
A cool little site with global stats and rankings. I'm surprised to see that more people play Protoss than Terran. - iThorkos 20:28:32 08/27/10 (14)
- I have noticed for some reason that what race I am always playing is league dependent. - Lord Yuppie 11:45:56 08/28/10 (0)
- Holy JoystickJ, a division called Medic Mu? [NT] - Mana 21:26:55 08/27/10 (0)
- I will never stop laughing whenever I see "DuckloadRa". [NT] - Fron 20:39:34 08/27/10 (11)
  - I don't get it! [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 21:54:14 08/27/10 (8)
    - It's a player whose "official" name is WhiteRa, but his in-game name is now DuckloadRa, which is ridiculous. [NT] - Fron 22:34:10 08/27/10 (7)
      - Why "Duckload"? What does that mean? [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 23:02:37 08/27/10 (6)
        Apparently it's the name of his new sponsor. That's not the important bit, the important bit is that it sounds funny. [NT] - Fron 23:26:00 08/27/10 (4)
        This is true. My first thought was 'duck-related cargo?' and the second more profane. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 07:27:52 08/28/10 (2)
        Hmm. Mine went the other way around. [NT] - Vektor 15:27:41 08/28/10 (1)
        LIKE YOUR etc. etc. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 22:33:20 08/28/10 (0)
        It's also pretty much the most nonsensical thing. Ever. Which is why it is great. [NT] - Vektor 00:43:56 08/28/10 (0)
        It is a company that is sponsoring him. [NT] - Palin 23:25:37 08/27/10 (0)
  - Agreed. [NT] - Vektor 21:02:37 08/27/10 (0)
[VIDS] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Kalledon 16:56:28 08/27/10 (1) [NWS]
- OH and NSFW because of language. Visuals are fine though. Course its the audio that really makes this funny [NT] - Kalledon 16:57:00 08/27/10 (0)
Yeard Progress to date - Grorx 15:45:06 08/27/10 (11)
- I actually think the thinner beard looks better - which I believe was Jayj's point. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 19:26:27 08/27/10 (7)
  - On the other hand, it's so magnificent; some of us wish we could grow a beard like that. [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 19:27:11 08/27/10 (6)
    - [PICS] Let us not forget the prior extent of the beard... my goal is to surpass this significantly. - Grorx 19:56:41 08/27/10 (4)
      - It's the mustache man, I can't stand it when it curls over the lips. Drives me nuts. [NT] - Rotten 21:00:27 08/27/10 (3)
        No-one can stop The Moustache Man! [NT] - Psycho Sam! 09:40:32 08/28/10 (1)
        pffffjtkjrstgrfsjdssfsd [NT] - Sloth Meat for Gentlemen 19:02:26 08/28/10 (0)
        And it doesn't make eating any easier either, let me tell ya. The moustache is being kept under much better control this time around, if only for that reason. [NT] - Grorx 03:43:56 08/28/10 (0)
    - I could. I choose not to, for fear the sheer power of such a thing would corrupt me. [NT] - Vektor 19:50:28 08/27/10 (0)
- Dude, all trend-hopping aside, I have to say you look significantly better with a beard than without (although you're no slouch either way). I'd recommend not letting it get -too- long... with your hair short and parted like that, and thin eyebrows, the beard might throw the balance off if it gets too long. (NT) - Jayj 19:10:05 08/27/10 (1)
  - Well, this goes without saying. Beard > No Beard. Always. [NT] - Vektor 19:16:28 08/27/10 (0)
- Daaaaaaaaamn yooooouuuuuuuu!!! [NT] - Psycho Sam! 17:29:48 08/27/10 (0)
Regarding my Steam account getting disabled, there are no details. I haven't had any contact email explaining why it's happened. My theory is that the fact I went Christmas-fairy on the Plain Sight sale has been interpreted as SuJoystickJious/Unusual Behaviour. [NT] - Lothos 14:56:45 08/27/10 (1)
- Yeah, weird. I got an email about that Plain Sight thing, but it wasn't there when I logged on. This is the world we live in: where generosity is immediately suspect. [NT] - Psycho Sam! 17:20:48 08/27/10 (0)
So guys, I'll be out of touch for a little while. Three days really. Don't burn the place down while I'm gone. *leaves* [NT] - Tssha 14:49:54 08/27/10 (0)
[SC2] So patch 1.1 announced for mid-september. - Palin 13:04:57 08/27/10 (59)
- I am a little confused on the slight nerf to ultralisks. - Lord Yuppie 12:24:35 08/28/10 (0)
- A couple thoughts as I read: They say part of why reapers are getting build time nerfs is that the zealots are, too. But any protoss player worth anything would counter with a boosted stalker because why would you EVER try to fight reapers with zealots... - Vektor 19:15:56 08/27/10 (5)
  - I almost never build zealots now, except vs zerg in the early game. It's a little depressing. Late game I'll go nuts if I have the minerals to burn, but otherwise stalker/colossus is my bread and butter in the mid-game. [NT] - Mana 23:31:36 08/27/10 (4)
    - Honestly, reaper rushes vs. zerg were pretty strong, but you also had to micro them very well and constantly if your opponent had even the slightest indication you were going reaper. And then they weren't worth building at all for the rest of the game. It seems like such a misfit unit. - Vektor 00:53:58 08/28/10 (3)
      - Hmm. Maybe I get queens and speedlings out too quick because reapers never do much to me as Zerg, in fact I thought Zerg was the race that you couldn't reaper. - Lord Yuppie 11:49:18 08/28/10 (2)
        It's not just a couple reapers. The specific strat is going mass Reaper out of 5 or so Barracks. When the Terran gets 10+ Reapers they can destroy Speedlings, Roaches, and really anything as long as they're careful they outrun everything. Meanwhile the Terran gets to freely expand. [NT] - Palin 12:20:08 08/28/10 (1)
        I see. I have only seen this once as zerg. I put up crawlers and queens cause I saw it coming, he danced around the base to try and find a weak spot and never really found one. Lost 3 reapers and quit the game when my zerglings showed up at his expansion. - Lord Yuppie 17:25:07 08/28/10 (0)
- I'd like to see the medics nerfed honestly... I had 3 of them fly right through a nest of cannons and deploy their cargo. It's annoying when you prepare for something but still cannot stop it. [NT] - Rotten 14:39:46 08/27/10 (28)
  - The proper way to deal with (preferably fully-loaded) medivacs as a Protoss player is hitting your Feedback hotkey with your left hand while flipping the screen off with your right hand. Both hands then head straight for your genitalia. [NT] - Mana 14:48:07 08/27/10 (15)
    - I've got 'em a few times mid-air, with a bunch of Voids. Not as fun as feedback probably. Terrans usually don't get creative when they fly 'em around. [NT] - Rotten 14:56:18 08/27/10 (0)
    - This is, truly, one of the high points of PvT [NT] - Snapper 14:49:29 08/27/10 (13)
      - Feedback has been one of my favourite spells since Brood War, not that there were a lot of opportunities to use it back then. [NT] - Fron@Work 15:17:03 08/27/10 (12)
        Honestly I wasn't that wild about it. Until I discovered that nearly every Terran unit has energy. And they just nerfed the siege tank so... basically every Terran unit. [NT] - Snapper 16:04:49 08/27/10 (11)
        Well it's a good response to banshees but in terms of core armies there's medivacs, ghosts and possibly thors, that's about it. [NT] - Fron 16:19:11 08/27/10 (10)
        And if they're heavy infantry than of course storm instead of feedback. It's like the most versatile anti-T unit ever. [NT] - Snapper 16:22:25 08/27/10 (3)
        I'm certainly not going to come out against high templar, they're awesome. It's just, like, how often do more than a handful of even terran units on the field have energy? It's not as if battlecruisers make frequent appearances. [NT] - Fron 16:26:28 08/27/10 (2)
        I'd say the ability to deal with all Terran air but vikings is nice, though I don't use HTs myself since they're a bit too micro-intensive for my lowly computer. [NT] - Palin 16:32:47 08/27/10 (0)
        *Shrug*. I think I used to get to do this often in 1v1. In 2v2 I see BCs, Thors, Ravens, and Banshees frequently along with of course medivacs. Lately out of 10 games I'll play 8 PvP, 1 PvZ, and 1 PvT. [NT] - Snapper 16:28:31 08/27/10 (0)
        Battlecruisers and Ravens [NT] - Snapper 16:21:19 08/27/10 (5)
        Okay that's hardly "nearly every unit". [NT] - Fron 16:22:22 08/27/10 (4)
        Although ghosts and ravens are particularly potent anti-protoss units. [NT] - Vektor 20:46:30 08/27/10 (2)
        I don't even want to count ghosts because I can't imagine what kind of nuclear superman you have to be to feedback a ghost before it EMPs you. [NT] - Fron 22:35:19 08/27/10 (1)
        Well, if you're korean and have 59282924 APM, then sure. [NT] - Vektor 00:44:47 08/28/10 (0)
        Well, there's no equivalent from the other races of really high-tech, mainly damage dealing units (Banshee, Thor, BC) having energy. Except Corruptors but I always forget about that. [NT] - Snapper 16:23:33 08/27/10 (0)
  - But Void Ray fazing is till allowed so I'm somewhat happy. [NT] - Rotten 14:40:39 08/27/10 (11)
    - Uh, no it isn't, and hasn't been since retail [NT] - Snapper 14:42:10 08/27/10 (10)
      - Oops you're right, but they weren't nerfed at least. So yeah I'm sorta happy. I only use zeals for scouting anyway. [NT] - Rotten 14:45:52 08/27/10 (9)
        Almost all of my PvP games lately have come down to who has more zealots [NT] - Snapper 14:47:28 08/27/10 (8)
        See, I wall off completely so nothing makes me happier than seeing a swarm of Zeals. If I need to build ground units I build stalkers and just blink 'em out of my base. It's crude but effective. [NT] - Rotten 14:51:22 08/27/10 (7)
        Or warpgate obviously. [NT] - Rotten 15:05:32 08/27/10 (6)
        Oh god are you one of those Protoss that walls in with cannons and 1-base techs to void rays every game? I love those guys [NT] - Palin 15:36:58 08/27/10 (5)
        Honestly? Pretty much now, it's my favorite strategy. Although I don't really rush. I send a small pack of zeals out on patrol to hit fledgling expansions. It's fun and it works at this level. [NT] - Rotten 15:45:54 08/27/10 (4)
        I mean, hate on the strategy if you want, but at my level most people just rush a JoystickJload of units and send them through the front door so it's an easy win. [NT] - Rotten 15:49:41 08/27/10 (3)
        Oh I'm not hating on it, I just find it hilarious because it's the reason so many people do complain about void rays but it's a nonexistent high-end strat, since walling off is basically putting up a big sign that says "HEY I'M GOING VOID RAYS" [NT] - Palin 16:23:16 08/27/10 (2)
        I apologize for that attempt at a sentence. [NT] - Palin 16:23:38 08/27/10 (1)
        Yeah, when Protoss go straight ray I am pretty happy since it is obvious and has good counters. - Lord Yuppie 11:56:59 08/28/10 (0)
- They're adding chat channels and no one is going ape JoystickJ? - El Cazador 14:16:10 08/27/10 (6)
  - I am certainly going to enjoy it. I hope one can add people into games from chat channels. - Lord Yuppie 12:00:34 08/28/10 (0)
  - I also commented that a response I got from someone at Blizzard when the infamous "do you really want chat channels?" Frank Pearce interview went public, was that the Battle.net dev had been told earlier that week their top priority after release was going to be implementing chat channels. [NT] - TheDeamon 14:28:01 08/27/10 (1)
    - Which would translate into: chat channels in the first major (non-bug fix) patch for SC2.... Which has now been verified through official channels. [NT] - TheDeamon 14:29:37 08/27/10 (0)
  - Nice! [NT] - Rotten 14:27:58 08/27/10 (0)
  - They announced that would be part of an autumn patch before the game came out. [NT] - Fron@Work 14:19:50 08/27/10 (0)
  - See timeline: "soon" [NT] - Snapper 14:19:36 08/27/10 (0)
- They're nerfing reapers? People already barely use them [NT] - Kalledon 13:31:49 08/27/10 (7)
  - The nerf is a 5-second build time increase, which should give Z a solid opportunity to get zerglings and a queen out if they're scouting and paying attention like they should be. [NT] - Vektor 19:19:48 08/27/10 (0)
  - Incorrect. TvZ is utterly dominated by early Reaper pushes, that's what this change is for. [NT] - Palin 13:38:01 08/27/10 (5)
    - The weird part to me was that they explained the reaper build time change as being a compensation for the zealot change, when zealots are basically useless against an early reaper anyway. [NT] - Fron@Work 13:42:04 08/27/10 (4)
      - Well the follow up was in conjunction with bunkers, proxies, marauders so maybe they were finding the Zealot build time gave Terrans a window to walk in and get a free bunker down or something, since you do usually get 1 or 2 zealots out before a cyber core finishes to block the ramp. [NT] - Palin 14:03:44 08/27/10 (3)
        You must have a fundamentally different early-game build than I use if you can get two zealots out before the core finishes. My first zealot, if I build one, usually finishes a couple seconds afterwards. [NT] - Fron@Work 14:12:07 08/27/10 (2)
        My builds are sometimes retarded yes, but I usually only get 1 zealot out myself. Usually my gas is a bit late though and I only have enough to start Warp Gate vs getting a quick Stalker, so I will often pick the former and make a second Zealot. [NT] - Palin 14:22:58 08/27/10 (1)
        Or sometimes I just like to save gas for a quick robo bay but only if I know nothing remotely dangerous is coming for a while. I like colossi entirely too much as toss. [NT] - Palin 14:24:14 08/27/10 (0)
- Wow, so their consensus is apparently that Protoss are the weakest by far. Zerg players must be apoplectic that their race is actually getting NERFED. [NT] - Snapper 13:15:03 08/27/10 (7)
  - Not really, early game Toss and Terran are getting time added on most of their JoystickJ puts Zerg at an advantage. Ultralisks losing 5 damage against armored stuff and gaining cleaves on buildings isn't really that much of a nerf. [NT] - Palin 13:41:08 08/27/10 (3)
    - Especially since no one ever builds ultralisks its kind of a win-win for zerg. Nerf the ultralisk for other buffs! Me okay with that! [NT] - Lord Yuppie 20:25:55 08/29/10 (0)
    - OK, yeah I had to re-think this. The zealot time increase is really going to sting for the P in PvZ. [NT] - Snapper 14:01:40 08/27/10 (1)
      - And PvT early as well. This hurts P much more than 5 seconds on reaper hurts T. [NT] - Snapper 14:08:35 08/27/10 (0)
  - Yeah: "we're changing the Siege Mode damage of the siege tank from 50 to 35". Wow. Nearly cut in half. [NT] - Rotten 13:19:15 08/27/10 (2)
    - They've been having trouble with that unit since beta started. The fact that they don't waste shots anymore makes them naturally way stronger than they were in Brood War unless you slash the damage numbers. [NT] - Fron@Work 13:24:23 08/27/10 (0)
    - And +15 vs armored so much weaker against light units, unchanged vs the heavies. [NT] - TheDeamon 13:23:13 08/27/10 (0)